A children’s book from 1972 about a girl who acquires a loaner pony for the summer that she and her mother are staying in a cabin in the country.

I had thought this book was one I’d read as a kid where a girl discovers a valley full of wild horses, but in fact it’s one I hadn’t read and she discovers a herd of tame ponies owned by a neighbor. (Now I wish I could figure out what the “girl discovers a valley full of wild horses” book was.)

It’s got just enough realistic horse detail to feel believable and is full of the joy of ponies and exploring. There is the threat of horse death when some ponies get stolen to be sold for horse meat (!), but it’s okay, they get rescued.

One of the things I like about reading older books, especially ones that aren't considered classics of their genre, is the window into ordinary life at the time. I was born in 1973. I remember when I was 6 or 7, I used to walk to friends' houses, to candy stories, etc, by myself. These weren't long trips, maybe a couple blocks. But it was nothing unusual. All my friends did that too. This was in various parts of Los Angeles, mostly in neighborhoods that were not the greatest. I now never see unaccompanied children.

In this book, the heroine, who is about ten, rides her pony on trails around the countryside by herself, and is sometimes gone all day. Of course most girls would not have their own pony, loaner or otherwise, but I do remember that in the summer I could disappear and do my own thing all day, so long as I took a lunch and was back before dark. There's a lot of things about my childhood that were terrible but the chance to explore alone was one of the few I'm still grateful for.

The Valley of the Ponies

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Did the valley of wild horses book include an epidemic horse disease that spread from the valley to the domestic horses? If so, I read the same book and also do not know which it was.

I was allowed significantly more freedom growing up than most of my friends, I think because my parents, while terrible in a lot of other ways, were twenty years older than all of my friends' parents. (They were born in the fifties, and I was born in the nineties when both of them were in their forties.) I sometimes feel like I can see the mark of that in myself as an adult versus a lot of my age group.
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I went through a stage where I meticulously read every book in the town's two libraries with the keywords "horse" or "pony" and it produced a LOT of books I loved as a child and can remember no identifying details of now. (I'd search them out the first time by the author name or call number, but unfortunately I found books I wanted to reread by remembering the location of the book in the library and the spine spine and color, which...)

I also feel like I'm less, um, petrified of making my own decisions and mistakes than a lot of my age group.

(The conversation between my evil mother, who was lazy and did not want to bother monitoring my behavior in any way she didn't enjoy, and my evil pediatric psychiatrist, who felt strongly that teenagers in partial hospitalization should be kept in locked ward conditions at home, was something to behold when I was fourteen, although it's a lot funnier now than it was then.)
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I think that's it! I remember the cover vaguely.
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The mention of prehistoric wild horses makes me wonder - have you read Molly's Miracle, in which a farm horse adopts a baby Eohippus? I love that book. It seems to be long out of print, though.
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It's difficult to get hold of cheaply, since it's out of print, but I have a copy, so I could send it to you the next time I send you something.
Edited Date: 2019-06-01 08:18 pm (UTC)
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If you ever figure out what the "girl finds a valley of wild horses" book was, let me know! I can think of a couple of books like that, but it's either "lost horse finds wild horses" or "boy finds wild horses".

Re: being out alone - you know, I realize it's mostly a matter of changing social mores, but the funny thing about it to me is that it's probably not only not any more dangerous these days for young children to do things on their own, but a lot safer, because of cell phones! I wonder if we'll see a generational shift in a decade or two back toward kids doing a lot of things on their own with phones and perhaps other electronic monitoring to keep tabs on them rather than parents watching them all the time, or if it's gone for good.
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Sexual harassment of children by strangers is a thing, though. I am fairly sure I got way more of that than my kids did.
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There are so many horse books I read as a child (when I just worked through all the horse books I could find in the libraries I had access to) that I haven't managed to find since. I don't remember this one, though!

I think I had an unusual amount of freedom growing up in the late 90s and 2000s because I was growing up in Hong Kong, which a) is incredibly safe, and b) has really good public transport. So while I didn't have the option of wandering around on a pony, up until I was 9 I was allowed to do whatever I wanted within our housing estate (which included the all important summer activity of 'going to get ice cream), and then after that I was allowed to use public transit and go hang out with my friends pretty much whenever I wanted as long as I told my parents what I was up to. I think that maybe also coincided with them giving me a cell phone (a purple flip phone! I had it for years and remember it fondly) on the understanding that I was to call them if I got into trouble, but the most trouble I ever got into was missing a bus and therefore being half an hour later than expected. It really wasn't until moving to Canada that I realised this was pretty unusual, both for safety concerns and for a lack of public transit that meant as a twelve year old you had real problems going places even if you wanted to!
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I was so lucky, and I didn't even realise it at the time! (Which I guess is usually the case.) Admittedly most of the places I could go to were pretty urban, but when I was about 15 I realised you actually could catch buses to the country parks for some nature time, so that was fantastic.
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*cough* LA absolutely DID have public transportation. I spent a lot of my teenage years on it. But in the 80s and early 90s, when I was doing this, riding the bus was very much mediated by race and class and it was super weird that I, as an upper-middle-class white girl, was on the bus as much as I was.

In parts of the country that aren't California, kids do get to go around more by themselves -- it's pretty normal here in the PNW, at least in the neighborhoods I've lived in. I think in more urban areas people get a lot more tense about it. The only problems I've ever had with my kids going around on their own was visiting city people who wanted to tell me what a dangerous unsafe thing I was letting my kids do. Well, and once in a while I have to go mediate some situation involving my son and the inappropriate disposition of another kid's soccer ball, or something ("He threw my ball into the blackberries!" "Well, he kept throwing it at me, after the third time I put it over the fence.")
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OMFG, did you see the horrible 'SEATTLE IS DYING!!111' "documentary"? It was full of people going "I am afraid to take my children to the park my taxes PAY for!!" and I was just like....are you fucking kidding me, this place is almost completely gentrified now. Plus I remember when we got here in the 00s and the chief of police at the time IIRC said the McDonald's on Pine ("third and CRIME") was "the most dangerous intersection in the city," and we were like OMG, tell that to the people stuck in south Seattle living with the drive-by gang shootings (only nobody cared. Until that area also got gentrified).

Then again there was an ACTUAL news story that began something like "You may be happy to see more shiny police badges downtown!" so IDEFK.


ETA LOL, actually found it

https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Effort-to-take-back-3rd-and-Pine-begins-1246312.php

For anyone who believes City Hall plugs its ears when it comes to citizen concerns, here's evidence to the contrary.
Go down to Third and Pine, an area of downtown Seattle marred by regular doping and violence.
Take a look around.
What you see might pleasantly surprise you -- folks with shiny badges.
Edited (shiny happy badges) Date: 2019-06-02 03:32 pm (UTC)
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Is that one of the Sinclair stations? Local TV news is totally Republican owned now and not by the rational Republicans, either.
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It suuuuuuure is. Local TV news has been bad for a while, but the Sinclair stuff is awful.
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I read a bunch of girls-and-horses books when I was young (in the 1960s), and most of them were set in the 1950s or earlier. And yes, a lot of the protagonists had an awful lot of independence.

I particularly remember the three connected books by Dorothy Lyons: Silver Birch, Midnight Moon, and Golden Sovereign. I think I read the last one first and hunted down the prequels after that. Several years ago, with the help of interlibrary loan, I read most of her other horse books. None of the others held up as well, though of course that might have been my not having been of the golden age to read them.

I also loved "Heads Up" by Patsey Grey, about a girl who was the meal ticket for an abusive parent or guardian (trick horse rider), and who finds a proper family.
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I remember Golden Sovereign (I mean, the title, I don't actually remember the book, but I know I read it) but I had no idea it was part of a series! I read every horse book I could get my hands on at that age.
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See, this is where being mildly obsessive about reading front matter can be useful. The "other books by the author" listed the previous two book titles, and when those horse names were mentioned in Golden Sovereign, it was easy, even for preteen me, to make the inference.

Golden Sovereign had a lot of plot packed into it, but the detective one was about tracking down the provenance for an abused horse bought on the cheap that turned out to be a stolen Thoroughbred (or some type of purebred). Another plot would have been creepy if it had been humans rather than horses, because it was about breeding Golden Sovereign to all these horses -- including his dam, Silver Birch -- in the expectation (for no good reason except book plot) that they would all be palominos. Oh, and the plot about Golden Sovereign (the horse) being tetchy on and off for no known reason until the end of the book.
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The other problem with "hardly any children go around by themselves" is that if I, as a parent, make a considered decision to let my children do things independently, other people start getting terribly concerned about how neglected they are.

E.g. I think I was noticeably ahead of my older child's cohort in allowing him to walk to school alone, and (later) to walk home from school alone. To the point that I checked with the school on their policy about letting older children walk home alone and they were very "hmm, I suppose so long as we have your permission to let them go uncollected from their class". At the time child was about 9, the school covers children aged 4-11.

(And this wasn't to be a "latchkey kid" at first, this was to come home to a house where an adult would be, just that adult didn't want to take the 15-30 minutes to walk to school and hang around outside the classroom until the child came out, and walk back.)

Also e.g. that time my child got separated from me in a busy seaside town and very sensibly went into a shop and asked a member of staff to call my mobile number - this was before he had his own phone. But there was a Lost Child Policy in the town, which meant the police came and took my details and lectured me about taking better care of my children.
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This is making me think of my first clear memory of being separated from adults in a strange place for a long period of time, which was when I was about 5 or 6 and went to the state fair for the first time with my dad and another family who had a little girl a couple of years older than me, maybe around 9 or so. We were simply turned loose with a handful of midway tickets and told to find the adults if we needed more. We spent all day doing that - riding the rides, playing the games, and locating our parents if we needed money for anything.

I cannot even imagine anyone letting kids that small do that now.

But I agree with you about the adult buy-in being necessary. For one thing, in a world where that's common and normal, unrelated adults also tend to make allowances for it - helping a small kid through a business transaction where they're still figuring out how money works, pointing them to where they need to go and that kind of thing.
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There's a Japanese TV show called Hajimete otsukai ("my first errand") where they film children being sent off with money to get groceries or something. The kids are six, five, sometimes four or three if they've got an older sibling (i.e. six or seven) to chaperon them. It's adorable and if you tried to film it in the U.S., you'd be arrested.

But it works in part because the whole society is built around this being normal. Total strangers will offer assistance or comfort when the kids get confused or sit down and start crying because the bag is heavy and they're tired of walking. It isn't just a matter of how parents behave; it's everybody.
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This aspect of current/recent US society probably has a lot to do with Tumblr purity culture's (and people not in Tumblr purity culture -- Rachel, wasn't one of your professors of this opinion?) insistence that there is NO normal and appropriate reason for adults to interact with a minor they're not related to or in a position of authority over.

If minors (not even just preschoolers, but teenagers) are simply not allowed to exist in society, then any interaction with them is suspect. And also those minors will be totally unequipped to deal with society when they do enter it, on account of it being unfamiliar to them and nobody making allowances, so they'll be more vulnerable in early adulthood (and the bar for "really an adult" moves from 18 to 25.)

It's so fucked up, and fucked up in such an unusual way. Most societies do not segregate the children and the elders to the extent that they're not considered a part of society!
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I have no doubt that Tumblr purity culture hasn't helped, but I think this trend is a lot older than 2007.

I suspect there are a bunch of factors that feed into it -- like, my mother never would have sent me off to the grocery store alone before I was old enough to drive, but that's because I lived in hardcore suburbia where the nearest grocery store was nearly half an hour away on foot, and that's at my adult height and speed of walking. So naturally I was never given those responsibilities as a kid, because it simply wasn't practical. Which led to a culture where walking anywhere to do anything wasn't done -- even though, in hindsight, there's no bloody reason I couldn't have walked to and from school (~10 min. each way). So the default was that kids never did anything outside their immediate environs unless a parent was available to drive them. Urban planning meant that, in the 1980s and early 1990s, kids in that area could not be given certain kinds of responsibility, and were shackled to parental assistance for any socialization not on their street -- which then normalizes that as The Way Things Should Be, and leads to a mindset where letting them roam free is weird and probably dangerous.

And that's only one strand of it. The internet led to huge fears of strangers being able to find and prey upon your children, and the local news at least used to run constant stories about THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF EVERYTHING AROUND YOU (no idea if they still do; I stopped watching that kind of thing as soon as I left high school), and as women made advances in the workforce there was an upswing in policing their parenting skills more rabidly than ever, shaming them with accusations of being Bad Mothers because they didn't do ABCQRSXYZ for their precious sprogs. College admissions got more competitive, and roaming around the neighborhood doing whatever doesn't look nearly as good on an application as volunteer work and student council and sports and independent language study. Etc. It's a whole pile of stuff that leads to a twisted situation where, as you say, kids lack the experience they need to deal with society, and childhood is extended nigh unto forever.
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Plus they are constantly bashed for it even though they have zero choice and often don't like it.
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I have no doubt that Tumblr purity culture hasn't helped, but I think this trend is a lot older than 2007.

No, by "had a lot to do with" I mean that this aspect of recent US culture was partially or wholly responsible for Tumblr purity culture, not the other way around!
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Ah, got it! Yes, now I follow -- if you never encounter a kid you aren't related to or in charge of because they're all locked away for various reasons, then interacting with them stops seeming normal.
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(Now I wish I could figure out what the “girl discovers a valley full of wild horses” book was.)

Unfortunately mine was Jean M. Auel's The Valley of Horses (1982), which outside of the genderqueer shaman and the baby cave lion I probably cannot recommend.
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That was also the only book I could think of.

I remember wanting to go places by myself where I grew up, but I was daunted by being stuck in suburban Walnut Creek, which at that time was so small and so suburban my memory is that you needed a car to get to Safeway or the swimming pool or any store really. You could walk and walk and walk and you'd just find endless subdivisions that were either just built or were being built or the land was being cleared to build them. (It was very E.T.) I think we were close to the foothills of Mt Diablo, but that was a state park and places near it were also being developed, and kids weren't encouraged to go there alone. Even when you got into town, you needed a car because it was all sprawl and typically traffic was heavy. There were buses downtown and I remember taking BART with my family, but BART was AMAZINGLY slow. I did walk to see my friends in nearby cul-de-sacs, but that wasn't very far at all.

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A distant relative that I never met (I think he was my great-uncle) sent me Valley of the Horses for my 11th birthday.

I will forever wonder if he knew what was in it.
Edited Date: 2019-06-02 10:33 am (UTC)
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Wow. Wow wow. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that he read the back cover in a bookstore and saw that it was about a girl and some horses, and did not in fact know that it was the second book in a cave(wo)man porn series.
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I don't recall a "finds a valley of ponies" book, but my favorite girl-and-horse book when I was 12 was "A Horse for XYZ." I wonder if it holds up. (My favorite boy-and-horse book was "A Horse and His Boy" which I haven't reread in years because of the racism, but Aravis is one of my all time faves.)

I remember when I was 6 or 7, I used to walk to friends' houses, to candy stories, etc, by myself. These weren't long trips, maybe a couple blocks. But it was nothing unusual. All my friends did that too.

We were talking about this last weekend and I don't even see kids outside playing anymore. We spent our whole summer just playing in the street, and the street was busy. You would just yell "Car!" and everyone would get out of the way, and then resume the game. We also got to run errands (around the corner) alone at a fairly young age (6 or 7) and I as a 10 year old got paid to walk a kindergartner to and from school (4 blocks) every day. It's just different now, and in a way that seems a little sad to me.
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Oh yeah, we would play in the street all summer long, but it was pretty deserted until all the fathers (yes) got home from their commute to the City. You needed a car to get to any store or school, though.
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On a friend's recommendation, I started reading the All-of-a-Kind Family books, and have likewise been enjoying the glimpse of what life might have been like for my great-grandparents.

I see unaccompanied kids around my neighborhood all the time, or at least unaccompanied by adults. Large and extended families are common around here, and many younger kids are supervised by older siblings or cousins or neighbors. (I wish someone had been supervising the kids age 9ish to 13ish who were tearing through the little kids' side of the playground today, grrrr.) It's a working-class neighborhood and the adults don't have a lot of time for child-minding or money for babysitters. Kids get independent pretty quickly.

One time we were walking down our block and we encountered a random toddler who didn't look particularly lost or upset but had no adult nearby; we attempted to inquire as to which house was his and were unsuccessful, but then a neighbor we knew came out of the house next door and suggested the child might have wandered away from his family's sukkah, which was behind their house. He went up the driveway and returned with the toddler's grandmother, who was annoyed at the child but not greatly concerned. If Kit somehow got away from us, I am 100% certain that someone would likewise keep them safe and help track us down. But we all really live in this neighborhood, deliberately making personal connections with our neighbors and the shopkeepers, and it's a neighborhood that welcomes that. Multiple people who live on our block or work nearby know Kit and us by sight if not by name—I started to list all the shopkeepers who wave to them on the way to and from school every day, but it's a long list! (And anyway, Kit would make a beeline for the pizza place, no further searching necessary.)

I know I was running local errands for my mom by age 7 or 8 and riding the subway by myself by age 11, and shortly after I turned 12 (in 1990) I was commuting to school on my own and so were all my classmates. We roamed Central Park or the East Village, went to one another's houses (which were often quite a long distance apart, since we went to a magnet school that drew from all five boroughs—my first long-distance relationship was with my first high school boyfriend, whose home was 90 minutes from mine by public transit), had pizza parties in the school stairwells after classes were over, and were really not supervised in any way outside of school hours. By age 15 or 16 I was going to BBS meetups in bars. This was all pretty unremarkable among my peer group. I expect it will be quite similar for Kit, especially if they go to public school in the neighborhood and make friends with neighborhood kids.
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You might enjoy the Monica Edwards books -- she has two interlocking series, the Punch Bowl Farm series and the Romney Marsh series. They start out as "pony books" (e.g., Wish for a Pony) but branch out quite a lot.
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