Tiger, a male sword dancer for hire in the southern deserts with a trusty blue sword, escorts Del, a female sword dancer from the icy north with a magical pink sword, on a journey to rescue her little brother from slavery. Hijinks ensue.

First published in 1986. WOW was this first published in 1986. Here's the opening paragraph:

In my line of work, I've seen all kinds of women. Some beautiful. Some ugly. Some just plain in between. And—being neither senile nor a man with aspirations to sainthood—whenever the opportunity presented itself (with or without my encouragement), I bedded the beautiful ones (although sometimes they bedded me), passed on the ugly ones altogether (not being a greedy man), but allowed myself discourse with the in-betweeners on a fairly regular basis, not being one to look the other way when such things as discourse and other entertainments are freely offered. So the in-betweeners made out all right, too.

The fact that I actually finished this book really does credit to Roberson's way with a pulp adventure, and so does the fact that pulp action actually happens in it given the sheer page space taken up by rape, rape threats, and sexism.

Everyone in the south is sexist. Everyone in the north is also sexist, but sliiiiiighly less so because Del managed to be the only woman ever to get trained as a sword dancer there, as opposed to the south where it's never happened. Tiger (also sexist) finds it impossible to believe that a woman could a sword dancer (like a sword fighter, but awesomer) even after she demonstrates it a bajillion times until nearly the end of the book. Almost everyone Del meets threatens to rape and/or enslave her and she was raped in the backstory. About 80% of Del's total dialogue boils down to "I may be a woman, but I can do the thing."

Other than Del, there is exactly one woman in the entire book who is not a powerless wife, a whore, a slave, or raped and refrigerated in the backstory. Though possibly "refrigerated" is unfair, because the dead women are there to motivate Del, not Tiger. But still.

The depictions of the hot southern desert cultures, its cannibal tribes, its slavers, etc are basically what you would expect.

That being said, there are some pretty awesome crossing the desert sequences, including being dumped there to die without water and staggering through the sands getting horrendously sunburned, looking for oases and resting at oases, enduring a sandstorm, rescuing two adorable deadly sand tiger cubs, etc.

I read it in high school and never continued the series; all I remembered was that it had first person wiseass narration by Tiger and some good desert sequences. I re-read it after discovering yesterday that an eighth book in the series was released in 2022! Once again, I will not be continuing.

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From: [personal profile] sovay


Other than Del, there is exactly one woman in the entire book who is not a powerless wife, a whore, a slave, or raped and refrigerated in the backstory.

Does she get to do anything interesting, or does she just exist as a statistical outlier?
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From: [personal profile] shadaras


I distinctly recall reading this as a young-ish teen and all I could've told you about it was "deserts! cool warrior lady! generic fantasy tropes?" xD I think most of the sexism and rape-y stuff passed right over my head, and I'm glad for that. I read widely enough and fast enough as a teen that I think I did read more of the series (like, a trilogy's worth? probably?) but I have no recollection of anything beyond roughly what the covers looked like and where the books were on the local library's shelves.

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Here's the opening paragraph

😑 Promising
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I remember reading these as a teenager - at least 2 of them, anyway - and I recall liking the partnership between Tiger and Del when it finally seems to be happening (I may be exaggerating how it really was - I don't remember much) and also liking Del because ladies with swords were few and far between in 1986, at least in my reading.
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same same

But it is a bit too much of the "not like other girls" type of feminism.

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I always get so sad when stories like this are being written by women, themselves. Like, can not even women imagine a world/story where there is no sexism, constant raping, etc???
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It might also be due to that being what the editors were interested in acquiring at the time.

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I remember bouncing off Roberson's other series (Chronicles of the Cheysuli) for similar reasons—it had the sexism and rapiness without the pulp. As far as I remember based on reading the first chapter back in high school, anyway.
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Chronicles of the Cheysuli

A thousand repressed memories just rushed into my brain. I took those books off my mom's shelf because I was stoked to read about bird shapeshifters and now all I retain of the series is one of the guys ending up not bothering to shapeshift into a bird anymore because he lost his hand as a human and that translated into far too big a chunk of bird wing for his bird shape to be able to fly (I thought this was kind of cool) and one of the guys rewriting his unwilling "love interest's" mind so she would be incapable of not loving him (even at that more naive time in my life I think I'd have liked the consequences of that to be addressed more??).

What a time.
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From: [personal profile] ethelmay


Just this month I bounced off Roberson's first Marian book. It was the second book in a week in which I encountered a "b---- lying about rape" trope, and I just noped out. (Secondary character, not Marian.)
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From: [personal profile] sovay


Just this month I bounced off Roberson's first Marian book. It was the second book in a week in which I encountered a "b---- lying about rape" trope, and I just noped out.

That's disappointing. I used to see them all the time in used book stores and never actually tried either that I can recall, despite my gravitation toward Robin Hood legends, but I guess an arrow was dodged.

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I read The Golden Key earlier this year, of which Roberson wrote the first part, and suddenly I am seeing a lot of commonalities between it and her other work. Not in a good way (although it seems she toned down some of these tendencies in TGK? There is some sexism but not as horrendous and pervasive as what you're describing. But yes, rape in the backstory).
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Another book? Jesus. I had the first five or six when they came out. I assume the existence of one called "Sword-Bearer" means another rhyming one is coming. Sword-Nearer, Sword-Dearer, Sword-Shearer, Sword-Fearer...

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I never read this series, but I read a short story set in this world in one of MZB's (sigh) anthologies, set after they'd become partners, but depending heavily on sexism as an actual plot point. Gosh. The 80's were a dark time, weren't they.
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I read the ones that existed at the time, up til I think the 2002 one, when I was a youngish adult but not as Imprinting Books (that was MZB's fecking Mists of Avalon). The first few had some very good angst, but the flaws were hard to cope with. I was like, "Rah Del! But. ...This is very sexist. ...this does not improve... ok done now." I really only skimmed the last two.

Honestly, I'm vaguely shocked the 2022 one exists. (From DAW!) But a) Audible hasn't picked up the new one (or, "decided against audiobook production"), and b) her website says she'll be self-publishing succeeding books. Which. Makes sense.
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I remember trying to get through it back then; I also remember looking at that cover and going, yeah. That sword, right there, between her thighs, ayup.
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I remember that book! I think I might have read one or two more of the books, but I don't remember anything about them beyond the cover art and that, yes, Del was a female sword-dancer with a rape backstory because 80s fantasy novel, and that she and Tiger had a fire-and-ice contrasts thematic thing going. I did not remember that her sword was pink!
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I have never heard of this book or author, but I am simultaneously horrified and greatly entertained.

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This author's books were in the library when I was a young teen devouring all the fantasy I could get my hands on, but somehow I never read them. Looks like I dodged a bullet.

Er, is his sword blue and hers pink because he's a boy and she's a girl?

From: [personal profile] anna_wing


I bounced off that series when Del said something about her "lifestyle". I'm sensitive to language use, what can I say.
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Oh dear. I have vague recollections of those books and I think I might still have them in a box somewhere . . . Sounds like I should probably not reread them.
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I'm beginning to wonder if there was any overlap at all between books available in American bookshops in the late 80s and those available in the North of England. Despite having been a voracious reader in the same genres as you, I seem to have been exposed to entirely different books and authors.

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I read all the Dancer books availabe thru the 90s - haven't reread them since then


I read all the female written sf&f I could get my hands on in the 80s. Because there was hardly any available in translation to German and later in uni imported into Germany. So I took to working during uni breaks to have enough money for a 3-day holiday in London to go to Forbidden Planet sf/f bookstore and browse their 28 top-to-bottom shelves of paperbacks, filling my empty suitcase to the allowed limit of 25kg which lasted my first read-through for half a year. And then I reread obsessively and stopped reading books in German altogether.

I will always be thankful especially to Jody Lee, the illustrator whose style I love (even in some of the Mercedes Lackey covers ^^) and DAW in particular for having so many female writers even then. These days I will only read male protagonists written by women, and prefer female protagonists by far. I had decades of not being able to get any so I feel I've paid my dues
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I read the first three or four of these back in the mid 00s and don't remember much of them except that yeah Tiger's voice is compulsively readable even when he's being an absolute dick. XD They definitely are the sparkpoint for a couple potential areas of fictional history in one of my own worlds but very much in the "so if we were to look at something vaguely flavoured like this but have any relationship with reality where everyone involved is actually people instead of stock fantasy tropes, where might that go" and then it rapidly went off in its own direction, but I remember them fondly.

Have zero, ZERO impulse to go back and reread. But still remember them fondly.
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From: [personal profile] skygiants


I never read this one, but I read a whole slew of her Cheysuli books! I reread the first one of those a few years ago; you will be unsurprised to learn that it was ALSO full of rape, rape threats, sexism and exoticism.
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From: [personal profile] genarti


Oh boy! That first paragraph is so much. And it sure is from 1986, golly!

I had this book, and I tried reading it because I'd loved the first Chronicles of the Cheysuli book with the deep love of a teenager who adored anything involving people who could talk to and/or turn into animals, and hadn't yet developed taste and discernment about things like "is this kinda racist though" and "did we actually need all this rape for the plot?" and so on. Besides, I loved sword and sorcery! Especially with a swordswoman!! But I found everyone kind of unpleasant, and I bounced off it pretty early on. Occasionally, I idly think about it and wonder if I'd like it more or less if I gave it another try now.

Thank you for answering that question for me!
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From: [personal profile] conuly


I re-read it after discovering yesterday that an eighth book in the series was released in 2022!

Probably the writing improves? I mean, it's got to, right?
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From: [personal profile] havocthecat


I first read it in 1986. I was...very young.I suspect I would have some horrified reactions now upon reading it, like, "what the fuck did I think this was a good book for and how did I get through four of these plus the entire Chronicles of the Cheysuli?" Which were books involving shapechangers that had soulmates. They were. Well. Wow. They were pulpy.
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From: [personal profile] derien


I think I might have had "the last book in this series" that sat on my shelf for years before I finally gave it away because I couldn't find any of the previous books and wasn't going to read "the last" book first. I think I picked it up because I thought there was a triad relationship, but since I never got around to it I'll never know.
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